Denny Swogger-My Experience – c. 1958

Since some of you have written asking me to give an account of my experience, I will take

this time to do this. When a boy of 8 or 9, I recall my grand-mother Swogger and Aunt taking me to

Sunday School twice as my parents never attended since their youth. I was 9 and a half when both

my grand-mothers died͖ and especially at my grandmother Swogger’s funeral, I remember quite

vividly having sincere thoughts to know and do my Father’s will.

We, parents and two younger, bros. lived in the small country village of Hadley,

Pennsylvania, about 250 people, where my father was an automobile mechanic. When I was near 10

a neighbour lad took me a couple times to the Wesleyan Methodist S.S. and service held in Mrs.

Dick’s home beside the empty Methodist Denominational Building on our hill. These Wesleyan

Meth.’s (which are so-called holiness teach being born again and their idea of sanctification, but as

some, these didn’t believe in the so-called third work of grace-speaking in tongues) purchased this

building from the Meth. Conference. The pastor and family who came were kind and very influential

in the community succeeding to get at least a few to attend. Age of 10 to 14 I went regularly being

indoctrinated by their beliefs and told often how the world was so full of false doctrines, prophets,

teachers, workers of iniquity, and to beware of modern religions which had turned from the “old-

fashion-way-of-worship”. We were much warned against new versions of the Bible (one group in Ky.

Gather together burning one to show their disapproval I understand). I was taught to read my Bible

every day and it was instilled in me that it would be a terrible sin to go thru’ a whole day without

reading the scriptures at all. There my S.S. teacher, Mrs. Dick, took quite an interest in me.

While practically through the 8th grade, I decided that I would like to go at least one time to

the Presbyterian Denom. Which was the only other denom. In the small town and was over on the

other hill in easy walking distance. Most went there from the neighbourhood and several of my

class-mates. (oh what might have been if I had just continued where I was) I wanted to see how

their service were conducted and too, because my mother would make remarks about the Wes., as

they would get a bit loud, which I did not understand but yet feared to speak much against the

noise, lest I might be saying the wrong thing. Having attended once, I wanted to learn more about

them, so continued for over a year taking more and more an active part. Then at Easter season

when asked to join, I was hesitant; but through a little persuasion and fair consent at home, I did

with a number of other young folks. Gradually I began trying to believe as they. Toward the end of

another year, now near the end of my Sophomore year, I had really become perplexed or confused

to simple what was right and wrong, clean and unclean. Because this Wes. Allegheny Confer. Taught

one should follow the letter of the word, but they knew nothing of the spirit of it (one should dress

plain, long hair, no rings of any kind or pins or brooches or jewellery, tobacco in any form,

intoxicating drinks, televisions, worldly entertainments, etc. and if one did you would be in danger of

being in that flame, the lake of fire that burneth forever and ever). Now the Presbyterians believed

the opposite, and they felt sorry the others were so ignorantly denied of much. Of course the Wes.

Took off the names of their members form their membership when some lowered their standard or

requirements.

I began going back to the Wesleyan on Sun. nights as I could see more honesty and sincerity

among them; however I still took an active part in all other activities where I had joined and was

baptised (sprinkled).

 

To whomever I could feel might help me regardless their faith, I would go to their home to

discuss the scriptures. The eunuch ( cts 8) when Philip asked, “Understandest thou what thou

readest?” readily confessed, “How can I except someone should guide me” seemed very much my

experience at this time. One summer day I rode my bicycle 15 miles down to Sanda Lake to visit our

new Pres. Minister. He gently explained, “I cannot tell you what is right and wrong.” Those were

sad words as he was in charge of the six churches in the Parish. “If one believes certain things are

wrong, for him it is sin, but if one believes these same things are right, for that man it is not sin. Our

family believes in these things and we go to dances, movies or relaxation. I believe if a man gets

intoxicated, and as long as he remains in his own little corner, I can see no harm in that.” Riding

disappointedly back I thought, well, if one can believe all these things are right and they will be!

Then why not believe that way. I questioned it though, but went to a few dances. Right away I

could see that that was the wrong course because I was drifting further away from God and I would

not pray as often and seldomly would kneel since I joined the Pres. I never stopped reading my Bible

and desiring understanding. I would discuss the scriptures with Mrs. Dick, and also with my Pres.

S.S. teachers, Mrs. Sheffler and Mr. Anderson, plus Mrs. Neice who was and Nazarene, but in Hadley

attended the Pres. On Sun. A.M. and Wes Alliance and too attended the Pentecostal Holiness and

Wes., a neighbour boy who was Catholic, and the Mrs. Patterson who lived in the Pres. Parsonage

beside Mrs. Sheffler and just across the street from Jess and Ella Dunlap (who is professing and very

hearty at the time). Mrs. Patterson and family attended another Wesleyan group because of feeling

better than these in the community.

I often seemed to be at the forks of the road. I would start down one road, but soon I would

be conscious this is not the right way; then I would retrace my steps and start out another direction

and soon again I found myself in the same confused state.

The forepart of my Junior year our Pres. Youth Fel. and S.S.Class decided to visit other

places of worship to see how they believed and conducted their services. To say the least I was

surely pleased. I had decided I would like to attend every religion when I got away from home to see

which way was most original and closest to the teachings of Jesus. One Sun. A.M. we left our own

services going to a larger town, Greenville, where we divided up to visit several sects. It fell my lot to

go to the Lutheran and that happened to be the Sun. everyone went into the new adjoining bldg.. to

simple admire it, et., although not quite completed. One Sun. afternoon we visited the Catholic

where the priest showed us his regalia, and another to the Jewish synagogue where the Rabbi

showed and described their faith. Afterwards when back at the Pres., we had a discussion on these

beliefs and I was sadden to see some laughing how others believed, when I thought they,

themselves were not much better. These that we had gone to, to my mind, were more proud and

formal than even the Pres.’s. You would know this is an unusual thing for a denom. to leave their

own services to visit others. In it I now can see as the spirit moved upon the face of the waters (Gen.

1:2 first action after the earth was created), so the Spirit was preparing the soil of my heart for the

sowing of the Kingdom’s incorruptible seed. Looking upon these few religions I could see the

Wesleyans were more practical and nearer to what would be acceptable before the Lord. Still not

satisfied there either.

The latter part of my Jr. year Mrs. Dick and I began quite a series of studies on the Book of

Revelation (easy study eh!) using other books, stopping at her home for an hour or so on the way to

school (school was on the other side of the Wes. Bldg.) Each time we would kneel to pray, and often

the tears would flow down her face as she prayed for my folks and others in the community. She

and the minister and a few others tried to encourage me to go to a Bible School after I would

graduate, but I never felt moved in this direction.

 

I never mentioned these things to my folks as they sure would think I was crazy and could not have

begun to understand me. In a sense, I do not understand why I continued so to feel after God when

others at home were not religiously minded. Thinking of this may times, if I might say, it may have

been the lack of attention and affection at home desiring to know my Heavenly Father. However I

believe everyone has desires to know God, but most cause these desires to be crushed or crowded

out by other things instead of seeking until one can sing those words, “Jesus, Saviour, I have found

Him, whom my souls so long hath craved.” I am eternally thankful that I in a measure kept a rather

good conscience and continued allowing His voice to my heart in a measure to be obeyed. But at

this point I must add that many a time I proved to be ‘no little angel’. You know what I mean eh!

Once when my mother was complaining about me attending these services, my father spoke

up rather loudly, “Those in this house that want to go to church, GO, and those who don’t, STAY AT

HOME.” Another time she said ”Denny will probably wind-up being a preacher.” Dad replied,

“Well, it’s all right with me if he wants to go and starve to death!” Coming down the stairs one day

when mom. Was mad at me for something, and reaching the bottom to turn into the dining room,

here came my Bible flying at me. I was shocked. After professing, my dad said to my bro., “Anyone

driving a car as much as he does needs a new car every year.” About four years after I professed,

two sisters held a few mtgs. in the little town. Finally I got my mother to one of them. Afterwards

she told my dad, “Some came 35 miles to that mtg. which lasted only an hour.” Answer, “They’re

just out of their head.” Having gone forth in the Harvest Field dad said to one bro., “If Denny had to

be a preacher, why did it have to be that kind.” My dad never spoke personally to me about these

things. One time I heard my dad say to a neighbour boy, “Religion is just like Santa Clause, just helps

to hold the world together but that is all there is to it.“ I lived for the day I could be away from home

that I might have religious liberty. Yet in many respects my parents have may good marks about

them. They are friendly to all the friends and workers, but of course to them this seems a strange

way. I hope and pray for them. Sometimes it seems hope against hope. I pray that they may get to

understand that there is indeed a living God and that He desires and yearns to be their Father also.

Ps. 19 and Romans 1: Nature should speak.

During these days I often visited a cousin who is only two hours older than myself. One

Easter his mother had him (Ronald Swogger) and his younger bro. join the Millageville Pres. Denom.

and baptised. Ronald told me, “That was the worst thing I ever did”. At that time I wondered how a

person could ever feel that way. He like most of my relatives are that way, so irreligious. One

relative, a cousing goes to the Free Methodist (they don’t use music and when a spirit strikes them

they will even roll on the floor – that is how they got the name ‘holly-rollers”)

Now as I mentioned I was a Jr. Time neared to buy our class rings. Everyone usually gets

one. What was I going to do??? I didn’t know and after discussing with others, I still didn’t. After

having another talk with myself and am sure the Lord was in on that conversation, I decided, “I don’t

know what church I’ll attend (or congregation) later on, but whatever way I find which follows the

teachings of Jesus, they probably will not believe in wearing rings and the like. jTherefore regardless

what others may think, I’ll not get one.” And thus I did.

One day I asked Mrs. Patterson what ch. The Dunlaps attended. She told me they went to

one ch. One Sunday and to another the next. No certain place. And of course felt that was not the

thing to do and naturally I agreed (I don’t know how she got this impression of them). She advised

me to start attending the Wes. On our hill regularly even tho’ she said they have some strange

beliefs one may not agree with. She told Mrs. Dunlap about my visits. Ella Dunlap then prayed that I

would visit them. I had questioned in my mind as what she believed as I said. And believe I

hesitated because she reminded me of the Amish and Mennonites in a sort-of-way, of which there

 

are different beliefs of them around home and especially so in central Penn’a. I wanted to know

more about them too but thought they were those that I had been warned against and so I felt the

same way about the Dunlaps. In my distress of soul I would pray, but believe lacked in seeking the

Father as I should have. One Sun. night in April Ella came over to a Wes. service that she might have

occasion to speak to me, which she did. I gathered many of my religious books together thinking the

Dunlaps might enjoy them, which I had recently bought, and my Bible and went to visit them, the

next evening. Jess doesn’t profess but was very friendly to me at that time, and I often sold them

(him) groceries at the store. They heartedly welcomed me into their home. After a while we began

speaking on Biblical subjects and soon I began inquiring about their faith. Ella gladly began to

explain how they believed in the one faith that Jesus lived and taught on the shores of Galilee over

1900 years ago, God’s way from the beginning. Sounded very impressive! And went on to tell how

Jesus sent the 12 and 70 apostles forth by two and two. Although somewhat familiar with the

scriptures, yet some of these things were new to my ears. She showed me her Bible proving

graciously it was the same as mine. I asked where did the church meet? And they asked me what is

a ch.? I replied as I was taught “A place of worship”. They soon changed my mind as we looked into

the dictionary and Bible, and explained to me they met in a home (Geo. And Stella Deniker, Grove

City). I asked, “You wouldn’t have an altar would you?” Jess entered the conversation, “YOU MEAN

THE MOURNERS BENCH?” I had become a great believer in the altar and had felt because the Pres.

Closed their mtgs. without an altar call, they were leaving out one of the most important parts.

However, this is one thing I can hardly explain, but just the way that Jess expressed it and the tone of

voice, the Lord seemed to show me right there the emptiness of tit and thru my experiences at

altars. Toward the end of our discussion that evening, Ellas said, “This week tow of our sister

workers or servants who have not been here for several months and my sister who has not been

here for about two years are coming this week. If you would like, I’ll send Martin down to the store

and have you come up.” “I will be glad to,” I replied. This seemed to be another time wonderfully

planned of the Lord. Two evenings later while at the store, I saw two strangers walking pass the

store and up the steep hill around the curve toward the Dunlaps. I looked for the son about 12 years

old to come to invite me, but the invitation didn’t come until the next evening. Another day seemed

a long delay. I went up that next night after work to meet these two sisters, Florence Witt and Susan

Wallace. They explained that they could not tell me everything in the Bible, but tell me the ‘Essence

of Salvation’ (what it means to be saved. At the close of our conversation I asked, “What about

those in foreign fields where Baptists would come along to make Baptists out of them, like-wise the

Meth., Wes., Pres., etc. and then you tell them not to follow any of these, but simply follow Jesus?” I

do not recall how the conversation went then, but the little the Lord was showing me was

wonderful. Following evening I went up to meet and visit Edna Reitz, Ella’s sister, and naturally

again favoritably impressed. They asked me to attend the Sp. Mtg. the coming Sun. at the Deniker

home, 30 miles away. I had told Mrs. Dick a little about my good visits and plans of going to this Sp.

Gathering. That Sat. night before the Mtgs., Mrs Dick came down to the store and while buying a

loaf of bread said, “If I were you, Denny, I would not go to those meetings tomorrow.” I answered,

“Well, I have promised and I would like to go at least one time to see what I have been hearing

about.” I went. I was impressed with the people and their testimonies as I was not used to that kind

in the so-called holiness. I noticed too the servants proved to be servants as some of them helped

serve during the lunch hour. Not so among the Pres. Suppers! When the workers spoke in mtgs.,

they made it clear that they themselves needed to live these things out in their lives too, and I

believed they were. On the way home, Ella said, “The workers were speaking of how well you

listened.” I didn’t say much of anything but thought “Why wouldn’t I?” Too bad all don’t feel this

way who attend mtgs. eh! The following Sunday I went with them to the Sp. Mtg. held in a hall in

Pittsburgh, 70 miles south. I felt some-what out-of-place at that home and hall hating to miss my

 

regular services, knowing all would be questioning where I had been. But as I returned and listened

to the minister I soon found that I am more out-of-place here, plus knowing what I heard was

contrary to the scriptures (much of it). Each week I would have 2 or 3 hour studies with Ella. The

time just flew. I could have easily spent the whole night many times realizing how many of our visits

were too long. I was very eager to know the truth of the scriptures that I might be set free from this

state of confusion. I was always filled with questions each visit and wanted to know if this really was

the only way of Jesus. I knew the Pres. didn’t have much because of often being astonished at the

things I would hear and see among those that were supposed to be the devoted members not

speaking of those that were just plain members as to speak. Ella told me her father often said, “the

Presbyterians profess nothing and live up to it.” I readily agreed. It took me a little longer to see

that the Wes. had nothing either as all ways of men and being built not on the one true foundation.

And at the time I wondered, “Could it be that in all the world, among all the ways, that I have not

attended yet, that right here and now, I have found not a way which is the closest to the scriptures,

but the way of the scriptures.” Walking home after each visit I was more and more thankful for the

understanding I was receiving and began experiencing Prov. 4:18 “But the path of the just is as the

shinning light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.” Like those in Berea, Acts. 17, I

would search the scriptures daily to see whether those things were so and believe with readiness of

mind. At the same time it was like continuing to pull the curtains back further and further to see if

there was anything that just wasn’t what it should be because I knew so very well how many times I

had been warned to beware of false teaching and I certainly didn’t want to be getting mixed up in

the wrong thing. One visit Ella told me I was like Cornelius, (Acts 10) in that my prayer went up to

god as a memorial. Really I never just understood what she meant by that until after I went out in

the work. As I went thru’ these days I found that those words were going up to God from my heart,

“Lord, Jesus, teach me how to choose, talk Thou with me these choices o’er͙” I wondered how one

could rightly condemn people who are living after the example of Jesus. I began to see that the

church should be in the home and the preacher without a home. However I thought, “Church in the

home?” I know that I’m looking for His humble way yet didn’t know it was this humble; since having

this priceless privilege, I do want to be washed from all that is wrong and serve the Lord as I desired

at that funeral. Again I sadly admit many times I would potentionally content for the Wes. when

speaking to Ella to see how she would answer. One time she said, “I see that you still believe the

Wes. are alright.” “No” I said, “I don’t think any more of them than the Pres. at all.” I’m sure those

were precious words to her as now she could weary more with me. And many times she would say,

“When the servants come they can explain these things so much better than I.” But I thought she

was doing excellent and so the questions continued from met. She surely was patient and

longsuffering. I understand today that I did not recognize as I should have that these people have

the genuine Spirit of Christ about and in them, but I was mainly just searching out the letter of the

word. During these days I told my S.S. teachers of both places that the way of Jesus had never

changed but was the same yesterday, today and forever. I thought I might get some of them

interested, yet, was surprised that none would even consent to visiting this saint about the

scriptures.

Florence Witt came back (her companion was sick at the time) about 2 months later after

that first visit. Jess didn’t care to have meetings in the home. He consented for me to come up to

have Bible talks with Florence which we did one week. And that coming Sun. went with them 40

miles to the small Union Mtg. held in Mrs. Lamont Davis’ humble home. The next mtg. was left open

for anyone to say a few words that desired walking in His way. I got to my feet saying, “I know this is

the only way of Jesus and want to walk in it.” (or words to that effect). I recall very well when I got

home that I asked the Lord to cleanse me and told Him that my life was His. But OH how far short of

 

that I have often been! The next week we had a few more studies. There were fears of what my

folks would say and whether they would stop me from going to these mtgs. Yet I knew if they did

stop me, that I could go when I got away from home. However like so often, our worst fears are

never materialized. Nevertheless how important to have that fixed heart, definite purpose. Two

months late in August I went with the Dunlaps to the Newry convention where I was baptised by Jim

Beacom in “53”. It was about a year or so when I go to see how a gospel mtg. was held, which was

in Harmony, 50 miles away. After I got to see this was God’s way, this choice of walking in the way

was not as hard as having the willingness to present my life before the Lord and His servants to be

used in the higher calling if I would in any small measure be capable and worthy. I tried, like many,

to drown these thoughts out of my mind by taking up Photography etc. I wrote a letter to Willie

Beacom in October that I would go forth because I felt moved to this end, and wondered if my life

would be accepted in the Harvest Field or continue in the Photography work. On May 4th, 1958 after

a Sp. Mtg. near Newry I humbly went forth to be a servant.

I did not realize that this would get so lengthy, but guess I went out on too many unnecessary

avenues to give you my testimony. Perhaps sometime I can try to condense it.